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On Jul 15, 2008 at 6:22 am Michele wrote:

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Then why are soooooo many of us losing tons of weight and keeping it off? I myself have done two rounds of 23 days (150 iu/im injections) and have lost 35 lbs. I am also keeping it off basically eating what I want. If I do gain a couple of pounds, I just eat protein the next day with little carbs and I'm back down.

Check these out.....


http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/26/2/211


http://www.yahoo.com/hcgdieters

On Jul 15, 2008 at 6:26 am Larry Hobbs wrote:

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Michele,

Please send me an email at so I can ask you additional questions.

You can get the email link by clicking on my name "Larry Hobbs" at the top of this article.

Thanks.

On Jul 17, 2008 at 7:57 am Larry Hobbs wrote:

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Michelle,

I am still interested in talking to you to ask you more questions.

Please email me.

Thanks.

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Regarding papers on HCG, also see the 1973 letter in response to the study you noted.

Reference

Van Itallie TB, Hirsch J. Letter: The treatment of obesity. Am J Clin Nutr. 1973 Oct, 26(10):1039-41.

It is posted here:

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/26/10/1039

On Jul 17, 2008 at 7:58 am Larry Hobbs wrote:

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Michele,

Also see the 1976 study titled "Ineffectiveness of human chorionic gonadotropin in weight reduction: A double-blind study."

Reference

Stein MR, Julis R, Peck C, Hinshaw W, Sawicki J, Deller JJ. Ineffectiveness of human chorionic gonadotropin in weight reduction: A double-blind study. Am J Clin Nutr. 1976 Sep, 29(9):940-48.

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/29/9/940

On Jul 19, 2008 at 5:45 am Michele wrote:

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I DO NOT care what these papers say. This has been the easiest weight loss I have ever achieved ( I had lap-band). It is also easy to keep it off. If you gain a couple of pounds, you just do a protein or steak day and you're back down.
My husband also lost over 20 lbs, is eating what he wants in P4 and has not gained anything back.
Just go on yahoo and do an hcg search.......anyone can read for themselves how great this works.

On Jul 19, 2008 at 5:56 am Michele wrote:

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Hi,
I just received this and I tought many of you could be interested. I?m suscribed both in the patient's and doctor's list of Dr. Belluscio.

Dear Colleague,
We are pleased to announce that we have added new reference material of interest to our website. You will currently find "Effect of human chorionic gonadotropin on weight loss, hunger and feeling of wellbeing" by W.L. Asher and Harold W. Harper, originally published by The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition in 1973. We will continue to upload new scientific information in anticipation of the "Second Annual International Symposium and Training Program on the use of hCG for Treatment of Obesity and Associated Morbidities" to be held in Mazatlan, Mexico on October 25th to 29th.

Please find the paper by Asher and Haper at http://www.oralhcg.com/english/in4.3.htm.

For more information on the Second Annual International Symposium and Training Program on the use of hCG for Treatment of Obesity and Associated Morbidities please visit http://www.oralhcgtraining.com.



Best regards,

Dr. Daniel O. Belluscio
Director
The Oral hCG Research Center
http://oralhcg.com

On Jul 20, 2008 at 1:53 am Renee wrote:

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I am a 5'5.25" 46 yof who exercised her butt off while changing my diet (South Beach) My boyfriend lost 12 and I gained 8-9 (I can't remember exactly. I had people tell that is was muscle weight I gained. Sorry, my pants would have fit loser. I was so discouraged. I was doing 40 minutes of cardio 4 times a week and 3 times a week weight and resistance bands. I started the HCG diet this month, made a few mistakes and I have lost nearly 14 pounds w/o exercise. I have kept a diary and I have written down all the foods I have eaten, the seasonings, the weight and measurements of them and NO ONE can convince me that it DOESN'T work. I am waiting until the end of my 23 days to take measurements again. I also took before pictures. I weight 161.2 with my load weight I went up to 165.6 and I am down to 151.1 this morning. My clothes are ALL fitting looser. The research I believed must have been biased in some way. Perhaps paid off by some company who had something to lose. I am NOT hungry now the I increased my dosing just slightly. I have not had to take my blood pressure medication and I went from 140/90 to just before I started typing this...117/71.

I would love to see a NEW study done with MANY people looking over the results. That study I am CERTAIN would find the good doctor true and correct!!! I can't be a fluke it is working for so many. I am so glad I stumbled across the Hcg yahoo group......and I am EVER so thankful for their support!!

Renee

On Jul 20, 2008 at 11:56 am Michele wrote:

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Amen Renee....

I am starting my 3rd round next Thursday and have already lost over 30 lbs. just doing short rounds each time.
I also exercised everyday and had lap-band done to no avail. I gained everything back plus some in just a few short months.
I have no problems whatsoever keeping the weight down with this protocol.
This protocol is a God send and I thank the good Lord everyday that my Doctor mentioned it to me. I wish I could shout it out to the world. I want everyone to know how well this works and how easy it is.


Michele

On Jul 21, 2008 at 8:46 am CC wrote:

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For most of my life, I weighed in at 120 pounds. Even for my 5?6? small-boned frame, it was considered underweight, although it was my normal weight that my body maintained without effort. I could eat anything I wanted, as much as I wanted, and I never gained weight. My boyfriends would pester me to gain some weight, but I was already eating everything in sight with no gain. One of them pestered me so much about it that I got so nervous that I LOST weight.

Enter Depo-Provera. I took this birth control shot ONCE at the age of 38. I immediately began gaining weight after the shot. I panicked and began modifying my eating habits, but I had no idea how to lose weight, because I?d never had to do it in all my 38 years. I tried all kinds of diets, but no matter what I did, I continued to gain. My periods didn?t come back for 14 months, which to me indicated that my hormones were tilted off-kilter in a big way. I talked to my friends about it, learning that the daughter of one of my friends had also taken the shot and gained 20 pounds in a month recently. She was another one of those ?never gain, eat like a horse? type of girls that everyone envied. I started to suspect that I was in deep trouble now.

I found a book by the title of Birth Control By Injection: The Story of Depo-Provera, in which I read the words ?knockout blow to the pituitary? used with reference to Depo-Provera in Chapter Five. The book was written by an endocrinologist named T. J. Vecchio, M.D., F.A.C.P., who organized international clinical trials with Depo-Provera over a 10 year period, as well as conducting such trials on his own. He wrote a number of scientific articles on the subject, including the lead article on "Long-Acting Injectable Contraceptives" for the 1976 issue of Advances in Steroid Biochemistry and Pharmacology, as well as making numerous oral presentations on the subject to medical groups around the world.

Now I was really concerned, and with good cause, as it turned out. That same chapter outlined the effects of Depo-Provera on the adrenal glands. Within six years, I had been diagnosed with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and had gained 100 pounds. My medical doctor could not give me any hope or effective treatment.

The hCG Diet is the only thing to help me in nine years. Nothing else worked. I've lost 40 of the 100 pounds so far, and I've kept them off for over 6 months effortlessly, now that my hypothalamus has been healed. I am starting the diet again to lose the other 60 pounds, with every confidence that I can. This diet gave me back the hope that I had completely lost. If you want to see more testimonials on what this diet can do, check out www dot weightlosscureonline dot com to see more, from people who have tried EVERYTHING to no avail before using hCG.

On Jul 22, 2008 at 3:57 am Schell wrote:

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After a hysterectomy 5 years ago (with some complications) I put on 30 lbs. I'm not a lazy person I exercise, I eat relativly healthy and have tried plenty of so called diets only to find myself frustrated and depressed. The further into the depression I went the more weight followed me into that black hole. It was a vicious cycle that I saw no way out of, until I was watching the Mike and Juliet show with some friends of mine. I my friend said thats how my step daughter and I lost a bunch of weight. WHAT!!??!! My friend lost 70 lbs 7 years ago and has kept it off. They had gone through a clinic and so the very next day I called and made an appt. In 5 weeks I lost 11 3/4 inches and 10 lbs. OK thats in FIVE WEEKS folks!! With exercise and diet I couldn't lose 10 lbs in FIVE YEARS!
It's NOT easy, no diet is easy, but this gives you proven results for your efforts. I'm not hungry, I'm not running to the fridge every 20 minutes to grab a handful of whatever I can get my hands on and because of the success in such a short time I am much more willing to continue towards a much healthier me.
I put on a pair of shorts yesterday that I haven't been able to pull up over my thighs in 5 years, what an awesome feeling. My confidence is back up and I really truly feel good about myself. So those who want to diss the program are free to do so, but for those of us with proven results can proudly say "you're wrong!!"

On Jul 22, 2008 at 6:10 am Michele wrote:

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Schell,

That was my Doctor on the Mike and Juliet show (Dr. Gedde). She is my guardian angel, the one who introduced me to this protocol. She wholeheartedly believes in it and is actually doing it herself with great success.

Congratulations on your wonderful weightloss.

Michele

On Jul 22, 2008 at 2:11 pm Sarah wrote:

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As a 27 year old type 2 diabetic (I know! it's horrible), I have been trying for two years to get my weight down so I could get my blood sugar under control. In those two years I have gained and lost and gained and lost the same 10 lbs, NEVER getting below 215. And always feeling "icky" because of the diets I was on. Low fat diets have too many carbs and not enough protein to keep my blood sugar stable. Low carb diets would send me into a spiral for the first week while my body tried to figure out how to cope without the carbs. Low calorie diets (without the HCG) made me feel so tired and so weak, and SO hungry.

I've been on the HCG for a week now (not nearly as long as some people, and you should take what I have to say with a grain of salt, as it is early days yet). In that time I've lost 9 pounds. I currently weigh less than I weighed my junior year in high school.

Could I have lost this weight in a week by sticking to a 500 calorie diet with no HCG? Maybe. But I wouldn't have stuck to it. On the HCG I feel good. I am not STARVING, and my blood sugar isn't in free fall.

Furthermore, many of us on HCG report having NO appetite whatsoever, struggling to keep our calorie intake up around 500. Having to force ourselves to eat our daily allotment of protein.

When I look at some of my friends (who are currently in their 3rd round of HCG, with two more rounds to go to get to their ideal weight), I just don't see how they could have gotten to where they are without it. They each have lost over 60 lbs in two 6 week rounds, kept it off during the time they had to be off the shots, and returned (gladly, eagerly) to the second phase. The 500 calorie phase where you're on the shots.

I do have a question for the author though. Have you read Pounds and Inches? The manuscript that explains how this diet works and why? Or are you just going by studies? I'm NOT bashing studies, I just wonder if those studies followed the protocol set out in the manuscript EXACTLY. Or if they fudged it a bit, thinking that as long as they stay below 500 cals a day it's ok? This diet is VERY specific. If you deviate, you risk not loosing, or even gaining!

Anyways, thank you for your time.

On Jul 23, 2008 at 3:47 am Schell wrote:

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Michele,

Your Dr. is a wonderful speaker. I was glued to the TV and the couple that was choosen to represnt the diet was awesome. I would have done the diet even if my friend hadn't backed it up. I'm a believer!

I took my measurements yesterday and I am very proud to say that I am down a total of 13 lbs and 14 1/4" since starting the program. ( 6 weeks)!

Sarah Keep up the good work!

On Aug 03, 2008 at 11:10 am David wrote:

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I am a board certified family doc who in 2006 decided to limit my practice to the treatment of obesity. During the past 18 years of practicing traditional family medicine, I observed that 80-90% of chronic illnesses were directly related to weight and nutrition. I became more and more dissatisfied with the usual medical protocol of treating every lab value and symptom with a drug. I would prefer to treat the underlying problem.

When I started to change my focus, I noticed that several nurses I knew were losing weight dramatically. They were all going to a clinic that as part of their treatment prescribed low doses of hCG. My first reaction was "how in the hell can the pregnancy hormone HCG lead to weight loss". My initial research revealed the usual two studies for and 8 against the efficacy of HCG. But, what kept me intrigued was that the clinic these nurses went to did not recommend the 500 calorie diet. In fact, the diet was based on getting proper amounts of protein and healthy fats while eliminating processed carbs. Most of these patients were eating 1100-1200 calories per day. They took weekly sub cutaneous injections and were seen at the clinic every 4 weeks. They were losing significant amounts of weight. Since most of the hcg research that found no benefit utilized the Simeon protocol, I felt that the jury was still out.

When I started full time bariatric practice, I offered hcg as an option to patients who were interested. For the entire first year, we did not charge for the treatment. My observations were that approximately 75-80% of people seem to respond to the treatment. From a scientific standpoint, I believe in 2 possible mechanisms:

1. Recent studies from the infertility literature have shown that hcg administration increases serum adiponectin levels. Adiponectin is a protein hormone that plays a role in the suppression of the metabolic derangements that may result in type 2 diabetes, obesity, atherosclerosis and non-alcoholic fatty liver disease.

2. hcg may have a positive effect on PPAR (a nuclear receptor) which, amongst other things, changes the body's fuel preference from glucose to lipids.

Sorry for the lengthy response. Please keep open minds.

On Aug 03, 2008 at 11:25 am Admin2 wrote:

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Dr. David,

What is the average weight loss in your male patients?

What is the average weight loss in your female patients?

What is the maximum amount of weight loss you have seen?

How long does it take them to lose this amount of weight?

What differences have you noticed in the 75-80% of patients who respond versus the 20-25% who do not respond?

Do the non-reponders tend to be men or women or both?

What side effects do your patients report?

What dose of HCG do you use?

Do you ever increase the dose or frequency of injections when a person fails to respond?

If so, what other doses have you tried?

Do you continue the injections after a person reaches their target weight?

Please email me your name, address, phone number and email so I can contact you for further information.

There are a number of weight loss doctors who are interested in this as well.

Thanks for your input.

On Aug 03, 2008 at 11:33 am Admin2 wrote:

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Dr. David,

You can email me by clicking on my name, Larry Hobbs, right below the title of the article.

Thanks.

On Aug 09, 2008 at 5:59 am Michele wrote:

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I would love to see the answers to these questions if you get them Larry.

Michele

On Aug 09, 2008 at 6:22 am Larry Hobbs wrote:

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Michele,

I have not heard from Dr. David.

On Aug 09, 2008 at 8:38 am Paul wrote:

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I am not Dr. David, but I am a physician who has had a very similar experience to his using HCG as an adjunct to a VLCD. I pretty much follow Simeons' diet and protocol with some standard bariatric practice additions like B-12 and prescription appetite suppressants. I read his post with interest and I hope he will post again. You can read about my personal experience with HCG on my website. I just compiled my stats for my last 70 HCG patients. Average weight loss 26lbs. for the 40 day cycle. Least 10 lbs, most 48lbs, 80% compliance. Even those who didn't stay on the diet for the full 40 days lost significant weight. I have been in practice for 26 years and if I learned anything over that time, it is that conventional allopathic medicine doesn't have all the answers. As Dr. David said, I try to "keep an open mind".

On Aug 09, 2008 at 10:30 am CC wrote:

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Dr Paul, please post your website for us.

On Aug 09, 2008 at 12:30 pm Admin2 wrote:

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CC,

Based on email address, I believe his website is:

http://www.drnavar.com/

On Aug 10, 2008 at 5:05 am Michele wrote:

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Great website....thanks CC.

On Aug 10, 2008 at 5:38 am Ailu wrote:

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Larry, please forgive me, but you are overlooking and extremely important fact when you say that:

"The idea that HCG might increase fat loss and decrease muscle loss is interesting, but given the fact that it does not significantly increase weight loss, the effect appears to be limited to a few pounds at best, which suggests to me that it is at best of limited usefulness."

These few pounds you speak of are absolutely critical. And this is why: decreased muscle mass = lowered metabolism. And that it the key. The majority of people who follow a very low calorie diet while taking hCG do *not* gain their weight back - whereas the majority of those who do such a diet w/o hCG are not successful in keeping the weight off. The difference? Those on hCG did not lose their precious muscle stores.

Ailu

On Aug 11, 2008 at 2:22 pm David wrote:

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I apologize for the delayed response. The emails have gone into my junk email box. Here are some responses to your questions. Please remember I do not claim to be a researcher and have not controlled for some variables (compliance, appetite suppressants, co-morbidities) to give you these responses. Also, I like to report progress by percentages since you cannot compare actual weight loss between a 160 pounder and a 400 pounder.


What is the average weight loss in your male patients? month 1: 7%; month 2: 4%; month 3: 4%

What is the average weight loss in your female patients? month 1: 5%; 2: 5.25%; 3: 3.5%

What is the maximum amount of weight loss you have seen? 153 pounds in 8 months (started at 436#)on 2 injections per week.

What differences have you noticed in the 75-80% of patients who respond versus the 20-25% who do not respond? Cannot control for dietary compliance since we do not use a rigid 500 calorie diet but, I consider < 2% per month a potential non-responder.

Do the non-reponders tend to be men or women or both? more often females

What side effects do your patients report?
Females: most common ~5% menstrual abnormalities
Males: none appreciated

What dose of HCG do you use? 35 units weekly

Do you ever increase the dose or frequency of injections when a person fails to respond? Seldom but have been considering.

If so, what other doses have you tried? 35 units twice weekly.

Do you continue the injections after a person reaches their target weight? No, but as part of maintenance, they may restart for a 1-2 month duration to get back to target zone. This is infrequent.

On Aug 12, 2008 at 3:39 am Michele wrote:

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Just in case Dr. David doesn't get this, could you please pass it on Larry?

I am so curious (understatement) as to how his plan works. I do the Simeons protocol to a "t" and if I so much as eat an extra bite of protein while on the very low calorie portion of the protocol, I seem to either not lose or gain. Is he sure that the protocol he does actually resets the hypothalamus? I KNOW Dr. Simeons' does if followed correctly.
I wish he would spend just a few minutes over at our forum (http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/HcgDieters/messages) explaining how he does this or give us his website if he has one.


Thanks,
Michele

On Aug 12, 2008 at 5:11 am Larry Hobbs wrote:

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Michele

There is no no way to verify that the hypothalamus resets.

This a purely theoretical.

You noted that Dr. Simeon's method works if followed correctly, and that when eat even an extra bite of protein, you gain weight or at least do not lose weight.

I would say that all very-low-calorie diets work if followed.

I posted an article yesterday about people who lost an average of 31.7 pounds when following a very-low-calorie diet for two months.

After the very-low-calorie diet, those given a placebo maintained an average weight loss of 21 pounds after 1.5 years, and 16 pounds after 3 years.

Those given Xenical (orlistat) maintained a weight loss of about 5 pounds more than those given the placebo.

The point being that people lost a lot of weight fast when following a very-low-calorie diet without any pills or shots.

Very-low-calorie diets work.

They also maintained a weight loss of 16 pounds for three years even when given a placebo.

One of the study's conclusion was...

"Lastly, this study indicates that an initial [very-low-calorie diet] treatment is very efficacious when incorporated into a more general strategy in the treatment of obesity.?

?This approach seems to result in large and rapid weight losses...?

http://fatnews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/3322/

On Aug 12, 2008 at 5:12 am Larry Hobbs wrote:

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Michele,

In 1977 while at UCLA, world-class obesity researchers Dr. George Bray and Dr. Frank Greenway did a study with HCG following Dr. Simeon's method, having people follow the diet and giving them a shot of either HCG or a shot of saline (salt water).

Dr. Greenway noted that even those who got a shot of saline lost 20 pounds in six weeks.

Dr. Greenway's comments are posted here:

http://fatnews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/2548/

On Aug 12, 2008 at 5:48 am Michele wrote:

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But I am sure they were tired and drawn out...unable to do the smallest tasks. We do not feel this way on hCG. This does not happen on Simeon's protocol. Larry, no matter how many studies you throw at me, I know too many people who have lost alot of weight on this and kept it off for a long time. I also know that yes, anyone can do a low calorie diet, but by day 5 they're so tired and worn out that they can barely hang on. I also do know my hypothalamus reset. My Doctor has followed me closely through this whole process and to my amazement and hers as well, my hormones have straightened out. I am no longer on thyroid meds or the progesterone I was taking before. For all of this to happen, I would say the hypothalamus had to have been reset.
More studies, better studies need to be done. Think of all the people who are considering some kind of surgery....if they would only give this a shot first. I was one of the ones who paid out of pocket for lap-band and it DID NOT work for me. No matter how little I ate, I did not lose. I exercised 1-2 hours 6 days a week....no losses. This is the only thing that has ever really worked for me.

On Aug 12, 2008 at 6:10 am Larry Hobbs wrote:

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Michele,

I am glad it is working for you.

I am all for whatever works.

I agree with you that people should try it before surgery.

I am all for trying things to see if they work for someone.

On Aug 12, 2008 at 6:18 am Ailu wrote:

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I have intensely analyzed every hCG study I could get my hands on, and you are absolutely right, Larry. You will lose the same amount of weight with or without hCG. The only reason people feel better while on a VLCD while using hCG is because commercially prepared hCG is packaged with b-endorphin, which creates a sense of well being.

As for why I believe hCG is still of great value in losing weight, please see my earlier post in this thread.

On Aug 12, 2008 at 7:06 am Larry Hobbs wrote:

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Ailu,

I agree.

Endorphins are "endogenous morphine", meaning morphine that naturally occurs in the body.

It is a feel-good chemical.

HCG also stimulates release of testosterone.

So my guess is that for most people, they lose weight from the diet, and the HCG makes them feel good, and they think "it must be the HCG because I can feel it working."

This is exactly why a lot of weight loss supplements -- most of which I think are worthless -- contain herbal forms of caffeine.

People feel the stimulation from the caffeine and say, "I can feel it working."

On Aug 12, 2008 at 7:08 am Sarah wrote:

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I just wanted to say that I have really enjoyed following this discussion. Larry, I think you have the right attitude, in that people should try different things and see what works for them. I also admire your analytical way of looking at it.

It's hard for some of us who are on the protocol to stay as calm and even keeled about something that has changed our lives so drastically. Please forgive us if we seem defensive, we just wish we could share what we've found with HCG with everyone who is struggling and feeling helpless and alone with their weight problems.

I also wanted to say that I really like what you're doing here with researching various weight loss ideas. It's interesting.

On Aug 12, 2008 at 7:11 am Larry Hobbs wrote:

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Sarah,

Thank you very much for your nice comments.

I appreciate it.

On Aug 12, 2008 at 7:20 am Larry Hobbs wrote:

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Before the FDA took phenylpropanolamine (PPA) off the market, many over-the-counter weight loss products containing PPA also contained caffeine.

They included the caffeine to give people energy while they were dieting because, as Michele noted, most people feel tired when dieting.

On Aug 12, 2008 at 2:57 pm Kathy wrote:

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I just started the Simeons Protocol and the hcg this week. I was a total skeptic and considered stopping because I was hungry at first & not getting the results that many others have. But I decided to stick it out & have lost 6lbs in 6 days & that was cheating every day! I started loading one week prior to starting the VCLD because I have been dieting and eating low carbs for years now. In a year of dieting I had only lost 20 lbs, excercising 2x per day with both cardio & weights. Very strict low carb dieting and very slow weight loss if any. I was happy if I lost 1 lb a week. And if I cheated I would sometimes gain 2-3lbs and then it would take me 2-3 weeks at minimum to loose that! When I started the VLCD my dosage was 125iu 2x per day doing sublingual. I was starving on VCLD1, I cheated & ended up eating 1600 calories that day. On day 2 I was down 1.1 lbs anyway! I took my 125 iu that morning, was still starving, cheated again & then upped my dosage to 155 iu that night. I still ended up eating over 1000 cals, but again the next day I lost another 1 lb!
Here are my daily calories & weight & dosage:
VCLD1: 1600cal, 161.8lbs - 125iu x2
VCLD2: 1000cal, 160.8lbs - 125iu, 155iu
VCLD3: 1390cal, 159.8lbs - 155iu x2
VCLD4: 1050cal, 158.4lbs - 155iu x2
VCLD5: 720cal, 157.6lbs - 155iu x2
VCLD6: 625cal, 157.0lbs - 155iu x2
VCLD7: TODAY, 155.8lbs total weight loss = 6.1lbs

I have gradually brought down my calories as I have been able to get a better dosage for myself & my hunger & cravings are subsiding. I know that in several years of dieting I have not gotten such good results without a lot of hunger. I agree that a low carb diet & others may give similar results though I dont think it would be w/o a lot of discomfort & probably not as fast. I did do a low carb/carb cycling diet a few years ago and lost 12 lbs in 2 weeks, but was lightheaded & had terrible cravings the entire time. It was the Quick Trim 14 day program & could only be done for those 2 weeks. I managed to keep it off for a few months but gradually it came back. Since then I have been so frustrated that I could not loose much weight no matter how hard I tried & how good I was. It was very difficult to stay motivated. Now I am a believer. I know that with what I was eating this past week, with diet alone & no hcg I would NOT have lost more than 1-2 lbs, and by the way, I have done NO EXERCISE! I am positive that if I would have followed the protocol better and not cheated I would have lost more on those first few days. I also think my start dosage was too low for me & possibly the years of dieting had an effect. I know this protocol works & am looking forward to the final results.

Best,

Kat

On Aug 12, 2008 at 9:01 pm Ailu wrote:

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Kat, your losses are typical of anyone a low-carb diet, when you go into ketosis, you can drop anywhere from 1-5 lbs of water weight - without hCG.

I am a BIG fan of the hCG Protocol, but unfortunately, your personal observations do not prove that hCG in and of itself helped you lose the weight. Others have lost similar weight w/o hCG. It's WHERE you lose the weight, that makes the hCG Protocol superior.

At any rate, congrats on your weight loss!

On Aug 12, 2008 at 9:16 pm Kathy wrote:

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Ailu,

I agree with you & I have done the low carb diet route, however, I cheated in a major way this week! & with carbs & sugar & still lost! As a matter of fact I have cheated from the 500 cals every day, granted less each day as I am gaining better control of the cravings. And I know that when I cheated (& I did then too) while on the low carb diet I did not loose anything & even gained. My body fat scale has also shown a daily percentage drop as well as the weight loss. Usually in the low carb diet my bf% will go up as the weight goes down at first then slowly it will lower as well, but I have to exercise like a mad woman. Just an observation of how this protocol is different for me personally. And thanks so much for the props!

best,

Kat

On Aug 13, 2008 at 4:34 am Michele wrote:

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I'll tell you, I'm getting frustrated so after this comment I will probably bow out gracefully. There are so many of us who know this protocol works, but trying to let other people know and help them is like pulling teeth.
How much proof do you need? Like I said before, go on yahoo and look up hCG groups. Take a look at before and afters. My 40 lb loss is all the proof I need. Do you honestly think I could have stuck to 500 calories if the hCG didn't help in some way...umm, I don't think so. My husband lost over 20 lbs. and is now having problems keeping his weight UP. He has to eat so much food to maintain. How did this happen? Maybe by a resetting of the hypothalamus? Why is that so hard to believe? Medical science will never be able to prove this, so it's all about faith and knowing what is happening to your own body. This protocol is AMAZING!!!!!

I just hope I can help 1 person....that's it.

Michele

On Aug 13, 2008 at 7:00 am vjsl8 wrote:

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I have been using the HCG protocol and I have dropped 42 pounds and over 20 inches. There are several variables that clinical studies cannot measure that makes using HCG different than just using a very low calorie diet.
1. There is no way that I would be able to maintain 500 calories a day without hunger and fatigue. I have tried over low calorie diets and was too tired to lift my arms over my head to wash my hair.
2. In the past when dropping weight, I would lose from the top down, but I never seemed to be able to drop enough to make a difference in hips and thighs. this time I am shrinking all over, not just in the top half of my body. I am losing equally all over.
3. After hitting menopause, it seems that no matter how much I exercised, how little I ate, I couldn't get the scale to move. I gained weight around my middle which had never been a problem before.

I agree that it is not the HCG that makes you drop the weight, but it is the reason why I have been able to be successful this time when everything else I have tied, didn't work. For the first time in my life, I actually feel in control of my weight and I'm no longer afraid of the scale. Science may not be able to quantify why HCG works, all I know is that it works for me when nothing else I have tried has.
VJ Sleight, Queen of Quitting, a former smoker, cancer thrivor and Tobacco Treatment Specialist.

On Aug 13, 2008 at 7:34 am CC wrote:

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Here is a link to look at my pictures as I have lost 45 pounds and 40 inches with hCG: http://gs70.photobucket.com/groups/i111/69VG7BTK80/

As I stated before, I had not been able to lose weight any other way for nine years and I tried them all. This is the only thing that worked. I had been eating Weight Watchers frozen meals for months at only 800 to 1000 calories a day total, with no weight loss at all, but that's what I had to do in order not to GAIN more. Now I can eat normally and not gain, which is a HUGE change for me. hCG changed me forever.

Yes, I still have 55 more pounds to go to get to goal, but hCG, I can finally KNOW that I can do it. hCG gave me my hope back.

On Aug 13, 2008 at 8:37 am Sarah wrote:

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I'd like to interject a note of calm here. Again, it is very difficult for those of us who have seen such amazing results to discuss it calmly and objectively.

However, it looks like the whole point of this website is to take a hard, scientific look at different weight loss plans.

I KNOW, and YOU KNOW how it's working for us. But the studies aren't showing what we know. I don't know why that is, but they aren't.

Maybe it is a placebo effect. But you know what? If it is, WHO CARES?

Seriously. Who cares if it's in our heads? If it's working, and it's amazing, then why debate it or get upset about it?

After all, as far as I can tell Larry is just trying to get more information out about the various options people have. His intentions are good. Let's all try and remember that.

On Aug 13, 2008 at 9:03 am Ailu wrote:

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Sarah, I agree that Larry is looking at this scientifically, and that is a good thing! And yes, although studies have not proven that one will lose more weight with hCG, studies have shown that hCG keeps people from losing muscle protein when they lose weight. This does not happen with a placebo.

On Aug 14, 2008 at 3:55 am Michele wrote:

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I just wanted to copy and paste this from our yahoo group..

--- In .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address), "Blue" blue_ladybird2007@> wrote:

I don't know Lisa if I completely agree with this.

If someone ate 500 calories a day they might have times when the hunger is diminished but they do live with constant gnawing hunger.

But there is something here that is way more important, when a person starves themselves the body uses the reserve fat then the structural fat leaving the abnormal fat alone.

Can you imagine how unhealthy that is??

No wonder when you see someone who doesn't eat they are so gaunt and their skin is stretched to almost transparent.

HCG in my opinion is a life saver in so many ways and re-aligns the body properly to a more natural state, not only resetting the hypothalamus but also other organs, glands, blood sugar, etc.

Blue

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In .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address), "Lisa" <hcgdietfan@> wrote:

Sandra, this is not necessarily the case.

It is well known in the medical field that when an individual consumes 500 calories per day or less, it has the same effect physiologically as total starvation, in that after four to five days the body will go into ketosis, and most people will no longer feel hungry.

But the difference is, hCG sure does make you feel better while doing it! :-D

--- In .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address), "sannerkay" <sandra_k@> wrote:

Michele, you might point out to them that NO ONE can live on a 500 calorie diet for very long.

The hunger would drive you NUTS!

Anyone can lose weight on 500 calories, but it just can't be done without the hcg, IMHO.

There is also the fact that the hcg resets the hypothalmus and after the VLCD you can eat way more food than you ever thought possible.

Graned, it has to be "good" food and you can't revert back to our old way of eating fast foods and processed foods!

It doesn't bother me anymore for people to nay-say the diet. WE KNOW IT WORKS!!!!!!!!!

To heck with them - this is for US.

Sandra

On Aug 14, 2008 at 6:43 am The Reporter wrote:

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Oh brother. This is an educated discussion. Can you please contribute to it without pasting emotional cheerleader posts from another forum?

You can cheerlead all you want about this diet, but evidence is the only thing that convinces me, and most other people as well. Like it's been said before in this thread, anyone can lose weight on *any* diet. If you really believe this diet is so great, give us some concrete evidence that demonstrates that this diet is superior to all other billions of diets out there.

For instance, I'd like to hear from more people like "CC" in the post above. She at least got me thinking.

On Aug 14, 2008 at 7:45 am Michele wrote:

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These are real people, making real comments....this is evidence. Sorry these precious studies don't show what is really going on....nothing I can do about that except say start all over. Do you think we come here and make these comments for the fun of it? No, we are trying to help and people just aren't listening very well. They had great stuff to say in that post. If you don't want to hear or see it, ignore it, but other people may find it interesting.

On Aug 14, 2008 at 10:53 pm Sarah wrote:

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This is probably going to be the last time I post to this thread. Frankly, I'm not sure what else can be said about it.

Michele, while I agree with you that HCG is an amazing thing, and I too am disapointed at the studies, I don't agree with your vehemence.

And to the others, who are skeptical about HCG. Well, I have to say that I agree with you too. Heck, I only tried it because I researched it and didn't find any evidence of long term side effects (let me know if I missed something) and my friends were having such amazing results with it. Frankly, I thought it was just another one of those diets. Like the cabbage soup diet, or any number of other unhealthy alternatives. But I thought I'd try it as an experiment. And you know what? I was SHOCKED to find it works. Against the evidence of the studies, it works. If you follow the protocol.

I am tempted to do a study of my own, following the protocol exactly. Of course, I'd have to get a PhD first...that may take a while.

Larry, I have enjoyed reading your comments, and exploring your site. Thank you.

And thanks to the rest of you, it's been really interesting.

On Aug 15, 2008 at 4:00 am Michele wrote:

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It's not vehemence.....I swear I'm just trying to help others....nothing more. Yesterday was a really bad day for me and I do apologize. I should have just stayed clear of everyone. I wish I could erase half of my comments on here because I feel people read them the wrong way.

Again, my apologies....I certainly didn't mean to offend anyone.

Michele

On Aug 15, 2008 at 7:51 pm Larry Hobbs wrote:

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Kat,

Congratulations on your weight loss.

Keep us updated on your progress.

On Aug 15, 2008 at 7:55 pm Larry Hobbs wrote:

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VJ Sleight,

Congratulations on your 42 pounds of weight loss.

Keep us updated on your progress.

On Aug 15, 2008 at 7:56 pm Larry Hobbs wrote:

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CC,

Congratulations on your 45 pounds of weight loss.

Keep us updated on your progress.

On Aug 15, 2008 at 8:04 pm Larry Hobbs wrote:

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Michele,

I'm sorry you are frustrated.

I'm sure if I was in your position, I would be frustrated to.

The only way I know to analyze weight loss drugs is to look at studies where they have people follow the same diet and some get shots of HCG, while others get shots of saline.

It is also possible that HCG make work for some people, but not for others.

I will post an article soon about a study where they found a drug that stimulates histamine receptors which caused weight loss in non-Hispanic women under 50-years-old ONLY.

It did not work in men.

It did not work in women over 50.

It only worked in non-Hispanic women under 50.

Maybe it is the same for HCG.

It may work great in some people, but have no effect in others.

On Aug 15, 2008 at 8:25 pm Larry Hobbs wrote:

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Michele,

Thank you for copying and pasting the comments from .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address).

Blue said, "when a person starves themselves the body uses the reserve fat then the structural fat leaving the abnormal fat alone."

This is a question for Blue, but... says who?

I've never heard of this before.

I have no idea what Blue means by "abnormal fat".

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Blue goes on to say, "HCG in my opinion is a life saver in so many ways and re-aligns the body properly to a more natural state..."

Realigns the body in a more natural state?

I have no idea what this means.

Several studies I have looked at found no difference in waist or hip measurements with those given HCG versus those given saline.

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Blue also says, "HCG... not only resetting the hypothalamus but also other organs, glands, blood sugar, etc."

What does it mean to "reset the hypothalamus"?

Did somebody prove this?

If so, how would they prove it?

I cannot imagine any way to prove this.

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"Resets... other organs, glands, blood sugar, etc."

I posted an article the other day about an HCG study which found that there was no difference in blood sugar levels of those given HCG versus saline.

The article is posted here:

http://fatnews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/3326/

On Aug 15, 2008 at 8:27 pm Larry Hobbs wrote:

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Sarah,

Thank you for your nice comments.

I appreciate it.

On Aug 15, 2008 at 8:29 pm Larry Hobbs wrote:

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I posted a couple more article about HCG studies.

They are posted here:

http://fatnews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/3327/

and here:

http://fatnews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/3326/

On Aug 16, 2008 at 4:05 am Michele wrote:

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Thanks Larry,
Again I apologize for getting frustrated.

Here is something to add to what Blue had to say.....



Before hCG, I was on Januvia and Metformin for blood sugar, Armour Thyroid, Hydrocortisone for adrenal glands, and Progesterone for being estrogen dominant. I am nolonger on anything except Cortisol for my adrenal glands because they were just too messed up for me to even consider coming off of it. This really does tell me that something happened after this protocol. Can I prove it? No, but I hope people read this and realize that this happens for quite a few pwople, not just me. Is it worth taking a shot? Ou bet your life...literally.

Michele

On Aug 16, 2008 at 6:29 am Larry Hobbs wrote:

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Michele,

No problem about the frustration.

Thanks for the additional info.

On Aug 16, 2008 at 7:20 am VJ Sleight wrote:

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Hi Larry, have you read:
Chorionic Gonadotropin In Obesity: further Clinical Observations. by H.A. Gusman
The American Journal of Clincial Nutrition, Vol. 22, No. 6. June 1969, pp 686-695.
I would be interested in your opinion of this article.

VJ Sleight, Queen of Quitting, a former smoker, cancer thrivor and Tobacco Treatment Specialist.

On Aug 16, 2008 at 8:54 am Larry Hobbs wrote:

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VJ Sleight,

I'll review the paper and comment.

Anyone interested in reading the paper can download it for free here:

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/22/6/686

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There is also an editorial in the same issue regarding HCG which can be downloaded for free here:

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/22/6/681

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The Table of Contents for this 1969 issue of the American Journal of Clincial Nutrition where these articles were published can be found here:

http://www.ajcn.org/content/vol22/issue6/

On Sep 15, 2008 at 1:54 pm Larry Hobbs wrote:

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I just got off the phone with my good friend, 75-year-old Eddie Ford, MD, and asked him about his experience with giving patients HCG (human chorionic gonadotropin) 20 and 30 years ago. He's very open-minded and the smartest person I've ever met.

I asked him if he ever used it for weight loss. He said, "No."

I asked him if patients he gave it to every reported losing weight. He said, "No."

I asked him what he used it for. He said, "PMS. It worked very quickly. I remember women crying at the counter when they came into the office, and after giving them a shot of HCG, they'd leave the office smiling and laughing. It worked very quickly."

I asked him if he ever tried it himself. He said, "Yes. It made me feel great. I felt happy and energetic."

I asked him how long the feeling lasted. He said, "About 6 days."

I asked him what dose he used. He said, "One cc." I don't know what this translates to as far as milligrams.

I asked him if he gave the injections subcutaneously (under the skin). He said, "Yes."

I asked him if he ever found it useful for an other conditions. He said, "It might help with rheumatoid arthritis. I had one patient with back pain that was helped with shots of HCG."

He said that his father, who was also a physician, gave injections of HCG to patients in the 1930's and 40's for a variety of conditions, kind of as a panacea, because he did not have a lot of other medicines to work with.

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I also posted these comments as a separate article here:

http://fatnews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/3461/

On Sep 26, 2008 at 11:44 am Michele wrote:

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http://www.oralhcg.com/english/index.htm

Take a look at this.

Michele

On Sep 26, 2008 at 1:23 pm Larry Hobbs wrote:

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Michelle,

Thanks.

I am familiar with Dr. Daniel Belluscio.

I corresponded with him several times a few years ago.

He means well and believes in HCG.

Although the data is not given in the text, nor is it shown in tables, approximating from the graph, here are the results from his 5-week double-blind study having people on a 500 calorie diet plus either a placebo, 250 IU's of oral HCG, or 500 IU's of oral HCG.

It is posted here:

http://www.oralhcg.com/english/in2.6.htm

http://www.oralhcg.com/english/hCG_Double_Blind_Study.pdf

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People on a 500 calorie per day diet and given an oral placebo lost roughly 7 pounds in five weeks.

People on a 500 calorie per day diet and given 250 IU's of HCG orally lost roughly 8 pounds in five weeks.

People on a 500 calorie per day diet and given 500 IU's of HCG orally lost roughly 13 pounds in five weeks.

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To me, all the stuff about loss of subcutaneous fat is of no interest to me. It's a distraction.

The health problems related to obesity are not caused by subcutaneous fat, but intra-abdominal fat that is inside you belly surrounding your internal organs.

It's not the fat on women's hips and thighs that causes heart attacks, it's people's big fat bellies.

Diet pill studies today do the same thing. They say things like, "Patients given Meridia lost 10 pounds, but not only that, they lost 1.5 inches off their waist, cholesterol dropped by 5 points, blood pressure dropped by 3 points, blood sugar levels decreased by 2 units, and insulin levels dropped by 1 units."

Who cares?

I don't.

It's meant as a distraction and as a marketing tool to sell more drugs.

It's like a car company saying that their leather used for their seats were made from virgin cows raised in the Swiss Alps that were massaged every day.

Do you really care?

I don't.

At the end of the paper, Dr. Belluscio concludes:

"1)... We suggested that the combination of a VLCD and oral hCG could not only trigger clinically significant changes in subcutaneous fat stores but simultaneously decrease body weight and modelate [modulate] body contour.

He also noted people taking HCG were in a better mood stating:

"3) Compared to placebo treated subjects, volunteers managed with an oral administration of hCG coped more efficiently with daily irritating situations, were in a better mood, and handled home conflicts without stepping up family discussions."

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As I've said before, I have no problem with people trying things.

I'll have to look and see if I can find how large a molecule HCG is.

The reason growth hormone won't work when taken orally is because it is so large -- 191 amino acids -- that enzymes break it down before it can be absorbed. That's why you have to inject it.

Same with insulin. Insulin is a large molecule also -- 159 amino acids -- so it has to be injected for the same reason as well.

I'll see if I can find out how large a molecule HCG is.

I assume that is why it is injected, but I'll look and see if I can find out for sure.

On Sep 26, 2008 at 1:35 pm Larry Hobbs wrote:

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According to the following website, HCG appears to be a very large molecule.

http://www.hcglab.com/synthesis.htm

HCG appears to be a very large molecule made up of two subunits -- an alpha subunit and a beta subunit.

The alpha subunit is 92 amino acids which is attached to the beta subunit which is 145 amino acids.

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Because it is so large I have to wonder how much, if any, gets absorbed orally.

I am sure the reason that HCG is injected subcutaneously (under the skin) is because it is so large.

I don't know anything about the efficiency of sublingual absorption for any substance, be it HCG or something like vitamin B12.

I don't know if the absorption rate is 1% or 5% or 50%.

The few times I've tried taking things sublingually, I generate lots of saliva and find that a lot of it goes down my throat.

On Mar 17, 2009 at 7:40 am Michele wrote:

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Just an update.....I have lost 70 lbs and hit my goal. While that is awesome in and of itself, more importantly I have completely gone off of most of my medications. I have also completely reversed my insulin resistance and my cholesterol has come down to normal. I am feeling absolutely great.
I no longer crave sweet foods and eat more now than I ever have in my life. I never thought I would have to eat, eat, eat in order to keep my weight off, but it's true.
The only thing I can even remotely say negative about this protocol is if you've had gall bladder problems in the past, be careful because the lack of fats can really cause problems when you stop the hcg and go back to regular eating.
I just hope people read this and realize it really does work.

On Mar 17, 2009 at 10:05 am Larry Hobbs wrote:

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Michele,

Thank you for the information.

Have you had Lap Band surgery?

On Mar 17, 2009 at 10:13 am Michele wrote:

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Yes, and it didn't work for me.

On Mar 17, 2009 at 10:14 am Larry Hobbs wrote:

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Michelle,

Thanks.

On Mar 17, 2009 at 4:08 pm Ailu wrote:

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Congrats on your successful weight loss, Michele! Well thought I might as well give an update to. Both my husband and I each lost 60 lbs on Simeon's Protocol, and neither on of us has gained any of our weight back. I went from a size 22 to a size 12, my husband went from a 46 to a 36. Both of us had physicals afterwards and our blood panels came out great. And we feel 10 years younger! All of this in less than 6 months.

On Mar 17, 2009 at 4:21 pm Michele wrote:

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That is awesome Ailu. I bet you and your husband are ecstatic.
I have a friend who just hit goal and is now completely off of her thyroid meds. which she was on for years. It is absolutely amazing the things that change after this protocol.
Congratulations!

Michele

On Mar 17, 2009 at 4:40 pm Ailu wrote:

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Thanks Michelle. I believe it truly is a "weight loss cure". First off, this protocol completely healed my husband. You must know his background to understand why I say this. He experienced starvation most of his childhood by neglectful alcoholic parents. In order to get food while his parents were on a binge, he and his little brother would to go door to door saying they were on a 'scavenger hunt' and hand the householder a list of food ingredients - "noodles", "tomato sauce" etc., and when they had gotten enough for a meal, they would run home and make spaghetti or whatever else they could artfully acquire. So whenever he finally got a meal he ate until he gorged himself and could fit no more, as he never knew when or if he might get the next one.

Consequently, all through his life, no matter how much food my husband ate, he never felt the sensation of fullness - at least, not until his
stomach was so full it couldn't allow another ounce of food. Only then would he feel satisfied.

Well, the day we started the maintenance phase of our first round of Simeon's Protocol, he was excited to finally be able to eat a large plate of food. He loaded up his plate and was shocked that after only 5 minutes of eating, he was full. Completely FULL. He was absolutely amazed (and so was I!) as he'd never, ever known the sensation of satiety. It was completely new to him! And he has had that new feeling after every meal ever since. He no longer overeats, at all.

This protocol also healed me. My childhood consisted of eating either Fruit Loops, Trix, Captain Crunch or Pop Tarts for breakfast every morning. Consequently I have been suffering from hypoglycemia ever since my early teenage years. If I went more than an hour without food in my stomach I would become faint and clammy. But now, after finishing my first round of the Protocol, I can go hungry if need be, and although my stomach might be growling unpleasantly, I feel fine. My body has learned to burn my fat for fuel during times when there is nothing else available. It is a wonderful feeling of freedom to no longer be enslaved to food as I once was.

So, given that, along with seeing many others who have been cured their satiety, insulin resistance, and other dietary problems on this protocol, I am absolutely convinced that this protocol, if followed properly, is indeed, a "cure". (However - I must admit this Protocol is not for everyone. I do believe that there is a small percentage of people who have physiological or metabolic issues that prevent this Protocol from being successful with them, unless those problems are addressed first.)

On Mar 18, 2009 at 5:05 am Michele wrote:

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That was an absolutely amazing testament. I see this kind of thing all the time and it still warms my heart to hear this.

I have one question for Larry or anyone who does not believe in the hCG protocol.
Does losing weight alone cause this much endocrine and whole body healing?

On Mar 19, 2009 at 5:55 am Larry Hobbs wrote:

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Michele,

I'm all for whatever works.

I am all for people trying things to see if they work for them.

By all means, if people want to try HCG, go for it.

Try it.

See if it works for you.

As Linus Pauling used to say, "Think for yourself."

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Do you think that you might be unique since you had Lap Band Surgery previously, even though surgery alone did not work for you?

Do you think that it is possible that you might react differently to HCG than someone who has not had Lap Band Surgery?

A doctor-friend tried the HCG weight loss method, lost weight, but said after losing the weight, he was starving at some public event where people commented to his wife that he was eating like a pig.

He said he knew he was stuffing himself with food, but he could not help himself.

I'll get an update from him on his weight and what he thinks about it.

On Mar 19, 2009 at 7:09 am VJ Sleight wrote:

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I have used HCG and found that it worked too and I did NOT have lap band surgery. I have found that it is an easy way to take weight off but afterwards, you need to find what works for you for maintainence. HCG does not help you keep it off if you go back to bad eating habits. I still have additional weight that I would like to drop but I have found that what works best for me is to lose it in small increments, maintain for several months before using HCG again. So if you compare this to other diets--it has been a whole lot slower for me over the total period of time but it is the easier way for me to drop wieght quickly. VJ Sleight, Queen of Quitting, a former smoker, cancer thrivor and Tobacco Treatment Specialist.

On Apr 02, 2009 at 2:19 am Sarah wrote:

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I have not read the comments so please forgive me if I am repeating someone.

I have read Dr. Simeons report on HCG. He noted that HCG can only be taken as an injection in order to be effective.

Don't know if someone as any evidence on the effects of taking an injection rather than an oral dosage.

Would love to know more. I ave been interested in trying HCG for quite some time.

Regards,
Sarah

On Apr 02, 2009 at 3:44 am Michele wrote:

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Sarah,

Please come take a look at at our yahoo forum....hcgdieters. We just surpassed 10,000 members and probably half are doing sublingual. Don't quote me on that, just trying to make a point... They are having the same success as the ones who inject. In fact, for them, they seem to be able to go longer for some reason, without hitting immunity.
Would love to chat if you have anymore questions.

On Dec 06, 2009 at 8:07 am Barbara wrote:

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I have been taking the homeopathic hcg sublingually for 7 days and have lost 10 pounds. I feel terrific, and have lost my "hunger"... meaning, I look forward to my food, but am not constantly thinking about and looking for my next meal.

There is definitely something to the way fat is lost, or as Dr. S puts it, "abnormal" fat is what is burned, instead of normal body fat. I can't explain it, but my silhouette is that of a flat stomach, when just a week ago I looked 6 months pregnant, and could not for the life of me, pull my stomach in, if I tried.

Take it for what it's worth, I was not a believer, but intrigued and desperate enough to try anything.

I understand the urge to shout it to the world: you too can be healthy and of normal weight!!!

)

On Nov 24, 2010 at 6:06 am Michele wrote:

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Well, because I received an email stating that someone had responded to this, let me give a quick update. I am still 80 lbs down and doing great. It has been two years since I lost the majority of my weight.
I also finally had my lap-band taken out last June and have since been doing and feeling even better.

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