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On May 13, 2009 at 5:57 pm ToddB1979 wrote:

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That is weird. Do they have any idea why? I wonder what would've happened if you combine the phentermine with an SSRI or with a drug like zonegran or topamax instead of 5htp/carbidopa.

I'm guessing these patients were taking phentermine on a daily basis, it wasn't intermittent.

On May 13, 2009 at 7:05 pm Admin2 wrote:

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Todd,

The 24% weight loss was just in one patient.

I assume this patient was highly motivated.

Perhaps they had gone through a divorce and wanted to lose weight to start dating again...

Or perhaps they had a health scare and were highly motivated because they were afraid they were going to die.

Regarding phentermine plus 5-HTP versus phentermine plus Prozac...

Michael Anchors, MD, PhD, has used phentermine plus Prozac and other SSRI's.

He calls it Phen-Pro.

He has said that phentermine plus 5-HTP works as well as phentermine plus Prozac.

He also has said that if someone is taking phentermine plus Prozac, and it seems to stop working, adding 5-HTP restores its effectiveness.

After listening to Joan Mathews Larson, PhD, author of Depression Free Naturally, I am not a fan of SSRI's any more.

( I posted a bunch of video clips of Dr. Larson on YouTube. )

It makes much more sense to me to give 5-HTP or L-tryptophan than take an SSRI.

SSRI's such as Prozac, Zoloft, etc, appear to deplete the body of serotonin.

For example, in a speech at a conference, Dr. Larson noted that Effexor, another SSRI, increases the risk of suicide 18-fold!

I have not looked up this research to see if it is in a specific group of people, but any way you look at it, this is huge warning flag.

I don't like noradrenaline reuptake inhibitors like Meridia or Cymbalta either.

( Effexor also inhibits some noradrenaline reuptake as well as serotonin reuptake. )

Noradrenaline is an important source of noradrenaline stores in the body.

So when you inhibit reuptake, it allows MAO enzymes to break it down.

Thus, it cannot be reabsorbed, and therefore, they deplete noradrenaline stores.

I have not looked this up for serotonin, but I assume it is probably the same thing with serotonin reuptake inhibitors.

I imagine they deplete the body of serotonin in the same way.

The reason that I don't mind drugs like phentermine or ephedrine is that it stimulates release of noradrenaline, which is the same thing that happens when we exercise or eat or engage in other activities.

Regarding Topamax or Zonegran...

Doctors find them effective for weight loss, but I am much more in favor of natural solutions that adding more and more drugs.

Cognitive problems are common with Topamax also.

Any time you get unwanted side effects, it tells me there is something wrong.

On Jun 13, 2010 at 8:30 pm nat wrote:

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if i ust take phentermine with 5-htp will i lose weight,verses added the prozac with it?

On Jun 14, 2010 at 9:25 am Larry Hobbs wrote:

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Nat,

Yes, some doctor use phentermine plus 5-HTP instead of phentermine plus Prozac and say it works as well.

Note: Dr. Michael Anchors has noted that lot of phentermine capsules sold on the internet are fake, that is, do not contain phentermine.

However, he has also noted that he has not seen any fake tablets.

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