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Woman gains 30 lbs & severe fatigue when desiccated thyroid cut from 4 grains to 2 grains, Dr. Starr
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In this one-minute audio clip, Mark Starr, MD tells about a woman who had taken 4 grains (260 mg) of desiccated thyroid for more than 50 years. However, after he doctor died, a university endocrinologist cut her dose in half, down to 2 grains (130 mg) and told her how awful it was for her to take 4 grains. However, after doing this, she gained 30 lbs in 3 months, experienced extreme fatigue, had difficulty speaking and could not balance her checkbook.
All of her symptoms resolved once she resumed taking 4 grains.
This story is to point out that modern medicine has been led to believe that the higher doses of desiccated thyroid are dangerous, even though these are the dosages that were used for a long time by many of the great thyroid experts of all time -- an average of 3.5 grains in a long-term study by Jacques Hertoghe, MD. Women on 4 Grains of Desiccated Thyroid
Women on 4 grains of desiccated thyroid for over 50 years
“I had a woman come to my clinic last summer.”
“She had been running her own company after her husband died.
Dr. Starr Takes 3 Grains of Desiccated Thyroid
Dr. Starr takes 3 grains of desiccated thyroid, used to take 4 grains
“She had been on 4 grains [ 260 mg ] [ of desiccated thyroid, which is what I used to be on [ 4 grains ] until I detoxified. Now I am on 3 [ grains ].”
[In his book, Dr. Starr discusses how environmental toxin interfere with the thyroid.]
“She had been on 4 grains [ 260 mg ] of desiccated thyroid since she was age 17.”
Her Dose Cut to 2 Grains of Desiccated Thyroid
Her dose cut to 2 grains of desiccated thyroid by a university endocrinologist after her doctor died
“Her doctor finally died.”
“She went to the… University in Atlanta… the university endocrinologist.”
“He immediately cut her down to 2 grains [ 130 mg ].”
Her Dose Cut Because Her TSH Level was Suppressed
Her dose cut to 2 grains because her TSH levels were completely suppressed
“Her TSH [ had been ] less than 0.1 [ that is, completely suppressed]…”
She Gained 30 Pounds
She gained 30 lbs in 3 months
“Within 3 months, she had a 30 lbs weight gain.”
Could Not Balance Checkbook
She could not balance her checkbook
“She was unable to balance her checkbook.”
She had severe fatigue on only 2 grains of desiccated thyroid
“[ She had ] halting speech severe fatigue.”
“The [ university ] endocrinologist, before they [ cut her dose of thyroid ], told her how awful it was to take that much thyroid [ 4 grains ] that she had been on for 50+ years!”
Bone Density Was Fine
Her bone density was fine even though she had been taking 4 grains for 50+ years
“So they did the DXA scan [ to measure bone density ] which was fine.”
Treadmill Test Was Fine
On a treadmill test, she was able to do 15% GREATER than the age-predicted maximum
“The put her on a treadmill.”
“[She reached] 115% of the age-predicted maximum.” [ Excellent. ]
Thyroid Protects The Heart
Thyroid protects the heart; It doesn’t harm the heart
“Thyroid protects the heart. It doesn’t harm the heart.”
Hypothyroidism causes osteoporosis, as does hyperthyroidism
“Hypothyroidism causes osteoporosis, as does [ hyperthyroidism ].”
Dr. Starr’s Bone Density
Dr. Starr found to have bone density of a teenager even though he had taken 3-4 grains of desiccated thyroid for 10 years
“I hurt my leg and had a bone X-ray recently.”
“I had a bad accident, and it did NOT fracture my bones [ my X-rays ] looked like bones of a teenager [ even though he had been taking 3-4 grains of desiccated thyroid for 10 years.”
Using TSH Levels to Determine Thyroid Dosage is WRONG!
Using TSH levels to determine thyroid dosage ‘is erroneous stuff!’ says Dr. Starr
“This is erroneous stuff!”
Her Symptoms Resolved When She Resumed with 4 Grains
Her symptoms resolved after she resumed taking her usual 4 grains of desiccated thyroid
“So all of her symptoms resolved [ once she went back to taking 4 grains of desiccated thyroid. ]”
“She had the thyroid right in her medicine cabinet, but she believed the doctors and [ had stopped taking it ].”
Modern Medicine Has Been Misled
Modern medicine has been misled into believing that thyroid dosage should be determined by TSH levels
The point of this story that Mark Starr, MD told is that looking at TSH levels to determine the adequate dose of desiccated thyroid is WRONG!
Modern Medicine has been mislead by having been told to follow the test. (TSH levels.)
2 Grains of Desiccated Thyroid will Suppress TSH
2 grains or more of desiccated thyroid will completely suppress TSH levels
In another audio clip, Dr. Starr noted that, “The TSH will almost ALWAYS be suppressed in patients taking 2 grains [ 130 mg ] or more of desiccated thyroid.”
Using TSH Leads To Inadequate Dosing of Desiccated Thyroid
Using TSH levels to determine dosage has lead modern medicine to avoid using dosages that thyroid experts used for decades
Because of this, modern medicine has been scared away from using adequate doses of desiccated thyroid that were used by the great thyroid experts of all time such as Broda Barnes, MD, PhD and Jacques Hertoghe, MD.
Did the Makers of Synthroid Mislead Doctors Into Relying on TSH Levels?
I can imagine the makers of Synthroid might be the reason why doctors have been mislead to rely on TSH levels
I can also imagine the possibility that the reason that modern medicine has been told to that is, to only look at TSH levels to determine the proper dose of thyroid hormones is because this what the makers of Synthroid (T4) want everyone to believe. (Synthroid is synthetic T4 thyroid hormone.)
My guess is that the makers of Synthroid (T4) have paid many researchers to write papers saying this, that is, telling doctors that they should only look at TSH levels rather than look at clinical symptoms! This is how they have convinced modern medicine to use Synthroid (T4) rather than natural desiccated thyroid that many doctors have found superior to Synthroid.
And because of this, doctors have been mislead into believing that higher doses of desiccated thyroid (3-4 grains) are dangerous even though these are the dosages that were used for a long time—for many decades and given to thousands of people—by some of the great thyroid experts of all time.
Average Dose of Desiccated Thyroid
Average Dose of Desiccated Thyroid: 3 to 3.5 grains (200 to 233 mg) according to long-term study
In a long-term study by Jacques Hertoghe, MD, the average dose was 3 to 3.5 grains ( 200 to 233 mg ) of desiccated thyroid.
Dr. Broda Barnes Took 4 Grains of Desiccated Thyroid
Dr. Broda Barnes took 4 grains of desiccated thyroid, which he called a full replacement dose
Broda Barnes, MD PhD considered 4 grains ( 260 mg ) of desiccated thyroid to be a full replacement dose.
Avoid Taking Desiccated Thyroid The Morning of your TSH Test
Avoid taking desiccated thyroid the morning of you TSH Test so it is not suppressed
To avoid having your doctor be scared of the dose of desiccated thyroid being taken because 2 grains or more will suppress TSH levels, Dr. Starr noted in a previous audio clip that…
“Instruct patients NOT to take their [desiccated] thyroid the morning the test is administered.”
Take your thyroid AFTER your TSH Test
Take your thyroid AFTER your TSH Test
“They can take it afterwards [ after the test ].”
Doctors can test Free T3 and Free T4
Doctors can test Free T3 and Free T4 to protect themselves
“If you [ doctors ] want to protect yourself the free T3 and free T4 are usually within the upper limits of normal if the patients are on the correct dosages.”
Desiccated Thyroid: 2 grains suppresses TSH
2 grains or more (130 m g) of Desiccated Thyroid suppresses TSH
“The TSH will almost ALWAYS be suppressed in patients taking 2 or more grains [130 mg] of desiccated thyroid even less in younger folks.”
“If the patients take their desiccated thyroid the morning of the test their T3 [thyroid hormone] is going to be elevated, so I get calls [ and they say ]... ‘My TSH is less than 0.01.’
Dr. Starr’s TSH Levels
Dr. Starr’s TSH Levels completely suppressed for over a decade
“That is what mine has been for over a decade.”
“And my free T3 is elevated.”
The audio is from a speech Dr. Starr gave at a 2007 Orthomolecular Conference.
Basal Temperature To Check Thyroid Functioning
Dr. Broda Barnes found underarm basal temperature correlated better with thyroid function than any of the blood tests
Broda Barnes, MD PhD, one of the great thyroid experts of all time, having studied the thyroid for more than 50 years. found that basal temperature was more highly correlated to thyroid function than any of the blood tests.
He said basal temperature was not perfect, but it was better than anything of the other tests.
Underarm Temperature Checked For 10 Minutes Before Getting Out of Bed
Underarm temperature taken for 10 minutes before getting out of bed in the morning
Underarm temperature “basal temperature” taken for 10 minutes before getting out of bed in the morning.
Underarm Temperature Should Be 97.8 to 98.2 degrees F
Underarm temperature should be 97.8 to 98.2 degrees F
Normal thyroid function is indicated by basal temperature of 97.8 to 98.2 F.
Oral Temperature NOT Used
Barnes did NOT use oral temperature because a sinus infection can raise oral temperature
The reason Broda Barnes used underarm temperature, and NOT oral temperature is because a sinus infection can raise oral temperature and give a false reading.
Women should include 2nd day of their menstrual cycle
When checking temperature, women should include 2nd day of their menstrual cycle
Women should take their temperature to include the 2nd day of their menstrual cycle.
Avoid Checking Temperature During Ovulation
Avoid checking temperature during ovulation because temperature can be elevated
The reason for this is that temperature can go up during ovulation and thus, give a false reading.
(Ovulation occurs approximately 2 weeks before menstruation.)
Books by Dr. Starr and Dr. Barnes
I encourage you to read both books
Both books are enlightening. Dr. Starr learned about hypothyroidism from Broda Barnes, however, Dr. Starr also went back and read all the old medical literature going back more than 100 years, and his book also contains a lot of pictures from old medical journals which are fascinating. Dr. Starr also talks about hypothyroidism in relationship to Alzheimer’s disease, which Barnes does not.
Modern Medicine has been mislead into only looking at blood tests
Thyroid blood tests will NOT detect Type 2 Hypothyroidism and miss many other cases of hypothyroidism
My impression is that modern medicine has been mislead into believing that thyroid tests (TSH levels) are the perfect way to detect hypothyroidism, when Broda Barnes, Mark Starr and others have found that blood tests are NOT accurate and that many people with normal TSH levels have hypothyroidism and can benefit greatly from being treated with adequate doses of desiccated thyroid.
Tremendous Benefits Of Desiccated Thyroid Forgotten About
Modern medicine has forgotten about the tremendous benefits of desiccated thyroid
I also believe that medicine has forgotten about the tremendous benefits of using adequate doses of desiccated thyroid for many conditions such as:
Lowering cholesterol and protecting against heart attacks and cardiovascular disease (94% protection in Barnes’s patients)
1.) Lowering cholesterol and providing tremendous protection against heart disease—94% lower risk of heart attacks among Broda Barnes patients treated with desiccated thyroid than subjects in the Framingham Study;
Congestive Heart Failure
Congestive Heart Failure cured with desiccated thyroid; Enlarged hearts shrink back to normal size
2.) Treating congestive heart failure, shrinking enlarged hearts back to normal size in a matter of weeks. (Yes, really. See the X-rays from old medical journals of enlarged hearts that shrank back to normal size in Mark Starr’s book.);
Depression And Fatigue
Depression And Fatigue: Why not try desiccated thyroid first?
3.) Treating depression and fatigue. (Shouldn’t desiccated thyroid be tried first BEFORE ever trying an SSRI or another antidepressant? Yes, of course it should, but, unfortunately, the drug companies don’t want doctors or the public to know this, so instead, they have convinced the world that their drugs are the answer when, in fact, the data shows that people given these drugs do WORSE in the long run than depressed people who are given NO drugs. Imagine that.)
High Blood Pressure
High Blood Pressure: Why not try desiccated thyroid (along with potassium bicarbonate) first?
4.) Treating high blood pressure. (The explanation that Broda Barnes gave in a speech as to why low thyroid can cause elevated blood pressure is that low thyroid reduces circulation to the kidneys which causes the blood pressure to rise, and that giving desiccated thyroid improves circulation to the kidneys which lowers blood pressure. However, I have a simpler explanation which is that low thyroid decreases cardiac output. Mark Starr notes that hypothyroidism can lower cardiac output by 50%. When this occurs, the body, in its infinite wisdom, says, “No problem. I will simply constrict blood vessels throughout the body and raise blood pressure to compensate for this lowered cardiac output.” So when a person is given desiccated thyroid, cardiac output increases, and the body can then relax the blood vessels throughout the body, and blood pressure drops.
Fertility Problems And Menstrual Problems
Fertility Problems: Why not try desiccated thyroid first?
5.) Fertility problems and menstrual problems. (With fertility problems, shouldn’t desiccated thyroid be tried first? Yes, of course it should! This seems like a no-brainer to me. There is almost no risk to trying this. The worst thing that can happen is that the man or woman is giving too much thyroid, and they get some tremor or palpitations or can’t sleep for one night. But then all you’d have to do is lower the dose the next day, and the problem is gone. This is the very first thing that I would try if I was an infertile couple. It seems to me that you have nothing to lose. I’d call Dr. Mark Starr and ask for his guidance on dosage on this and what to look out for.
Alzheimer’s Disease: Why not try desiccated thyroid first?
6.) Treating Alzheimer’s Disease. I would try desiccated thyroid in anyone with Alzheimer’s also. Again, this is a very low-risk idea. Dr. Starr presents evidence that the symptoms of Alzheimer’s is very similar to hypothyroidism. He believes is a cellular energy problem that can be corrected with desiccated thyroid. However, at this moment in time, it appears that NO ONE ELSE HAS RECOGNIZED THIS. Desiccated thyroid increases circulation. Maybe 10 years on TV, they showed a patient with Alzheimer’s who had dramatic improvement immediately circulation to the brain was improved by doing a radical surgery to attach a long strip of fat from the belly to the brain. The results were dramatic and immediate, suggesting that much of Alzheimer’s might be due to a lack of circulation to the brain.
Frequent Infections: Why not try desiccated thyroid first?
7.) Frequent infections. Broda Barnes notes that low thyroid increases susceptibility to infections, and that giving desiccated thyroid improves resistance to infections. He said it takes about 2 months for the resistance to increase. He also said that he had never given a flu shot to any of his patients since he got out of the military. He also noted that he had not had a patient in the hospital with pneumonia for 15 years or more.
Any Medical Condition Where No Cause Can Be Found
Any Medical Condition Where No Cause Can Be Found: Why not try desiccated thyroid first?
8.) Any condition where a doctor can’t find the cause. Broda Barnes mentions this in a speech he gave in the 1970’s. He said if you have a patient with complaints, and you can’t find anything else wrong, try giving desiccated thyroid. Dr. Starr and Dr. Barnes talk about numerous conditions that respond to desiccated thyroid in his book such as chronic fatigue, hypoglycemia, nail problems, skin problems, acne, hearing problems, dizziness and vertigo, bladder problems, bleeding problems and bruising, headaches and migraines, cholesterol, cancer, obesity, diabetes, behavioral problems, and Attention Deficit Disorder. Why not try desiccated thyroid first? I would contact Dr. Starr to figure out the appropriate dose necessary. My impression is that most doctors have been mislead into believing that they should only give Synthroid (synthetic T4) instead of desiccated thyroid, which is absolutely NOT true, and that larger doses of desiccated thyroid which are necessary in most patients with hypothyroidism—an average dose of 3.5 grains (210 mg) of desiccated thyroid shown in a table in Dr. Starr’s book, and he notes that he started out taking 4 grains (240 mg), and now takes 3 grains (180 mg) of desiccated thyroid—are unsafe, which is also NOT true. My guess is that the reason for this is that the supposed “equivalent dose” of Synthroid that large would cause many problems and is rarely used, so doctors have reverse engineered it to believe that larger doses of desiccated thyroid should not be used, but this is NOT true. You can ask Dr. Starr about this.
Quotes about Dr. Starrs book
“I believe everyone needs to review Mark Starrs book.
“He has a vital message to share about the many people who do not realize they have low thyroid, because standard thyroid tests do not show it.
“Mark Starrs dedication to research, and his devoted study with the old masters, have made him an international expert on thyroid and iodine.”
—Dr. Garry Gordon, Co-Founder of the American College for Advancement in Medicine (ACAM)
“This is an astonishing book revealing the cause and successful treatment for obesity, heart attacks, depression, diabetes, strokes, headaches, chronic fatigue and many more. His in-depth research and discussion of how environmental toxins can interfere with thyroid hormones is groundbreaking and enlightening for us all.”
—Robban Sica, MD
“This is the most significant compilation of medical research ever published in the area of hypothyroidism.
“Over a century of irrefutable scientific evidence is presented in a concise and readable format for laypeople and doctors alike.”
—Mark Starr, MD writing about his own book
Dr. Starr’s Contact Information
Here is contact information for Dr. Starr.
Mark Starr, MD
21st Century Pain & Sports Medicine
10565 N. Tatum Blvd Suite B-115
Paradise Valley, AZ 85253
(480) 607-6533 fax
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